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to lift indians out of poverty. this makes sense whether or not we have a federal deficit. even if we had a zero deficit, many program cuts and determination would sbreels g.d.p. and expand -- increase g.d.p. the fiscal conservatives always say they want to cut spending but near i will all the focus in recent years have been trying to impose overall restraint by voting balanced budget. i'm not against the caps but they do not reduce the underlining pressure to spend. the only way to do that is challenge particular programs and make the argument that particular programs are harmful and wasteful, unconstitutional, unjust, and unneeded. to make lasting reforms congress needs to make the case to cut many dozens, hundreds of particular programs. if the republicans want to kill funding for big bird they have to make the case for it. they have to lay out the case and push on that for many months or many years to wear down the opposition. so the very few examples in recent decade where is we've been able to cut or limit or reform programs, there has been a build up and we've laid the ground work
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